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1 [1] Coffee & Complexity 2 3 • [4]About 4 • [5]One Man & His Blog 5 6 [7]Sign in [8]Subscribe 7 [9]Politics 8 9 Cancellation: a complex mix of accountability, power, justice, anger and 10 societal change 11 12 Driving out people can be emotionally satisfying and create a sense of justice. 13 But is it actually making the world better? 14 15 [10] Adam Tinworth 16 17 [11]Adam Tinworth 18 19 24 Jan 2025 — 8 min read 20 Cancellation: a complex mix of accountability, power, justice, anger and 21 societal change 22 23 What’s the point of “cancellation”? I don't mean that in the “it's pointless” 24 sense, but in the “what are you trying to achieve by it” sense. Is it about 25 justice, or accountability, or community protection, or making the world 26 better? Or is it about the thrill of the mob? Motivations matter. 27 28 If you ask people what the point of cancelling people is, they might deny it 29 happens. [12]But it clearly does, and sometimes quite justifiably. And then 30 they might say “accountability” and that seems like a good answer — until you 31 think about it. Because accountability implies power. And as soon as you 32 express that you are holding somebody accountable, you are saying that you want 33 to have, or feel you do have, power over them. 34 35 There’s a reason that civilised countries punish through systems and courts, 36 not through mobs. The rule of law exists to prevent the rule of the mob. And 37 that’s because the rule of the mob is inherently divisive: it splits groups 38 into us and them. And sadly, we can see the degree to which the rise of social 39 media, and its facilitation of accountability through mob, has damaged our 40 societies, through greater polarisation and the splitting of people into 41 in-groups and out-groups. That’s worth examining. 42 43 Now, I’ve come a long way on this. Long, long ago, I wrote positively about the 44 power of collective action to [13]bring down a gagging order. And many of us 45 watched the [14]Arab Spring with awe and delight. Collective action in the face 46 of unjust laws, structures, systems, and processes can be an incredible thing. 47 48 Accountability or power? 49 50 But when that power is turned on an individual? That’s a very different thing. 51 I know, from my own past, that being an individual on the receiving end of 52 group disapproval for being different is horrible, and psychologically 53 damaging. We’ve only recently started taking bullying as seriously as we 54 should. And I still carry the psychological scars of the intense physical, 55 mental and emotional bullying I endured as a school child in the 1980s. 56 57 When that mob justice spreads to societal groups picking on individuals, it can 58 become very difficult. There’s a reason that we use “witch hunt” and “lynch 59 mob” as negative terms. They are not societally healthy ways of expressing the 60 boundaries of acceptable behaviour. When a mob gets going, it too often loses 61 sight of little things like “evidence” and “compassion”. Mobs tend to be 62 dehumanising both to their members, as well as to their victims. 63 64 So, when you start a targeted move against an individual, when you stoke up 65 social media outrage against them, questions need to be asked not just about 66 your target, but about your own motivations. Accountability, in a community, 67 counts both ways. And the biggest question is: is you wielding that power 68 actually helping the people you claim to be helping? Because if it’s not, then 69 you’re just wielding power for your own pleasure. 70 71 You’re a bully. 72 73 And that’s a problem — and possibly even a counterproductive one. Because the 74 experience of my life is that you create lasting change by persuading people, 75 not by wielding power over them. You can’t force me to believe anything. But 76 you can persuade me that I need to alter my beliefs. And that, person by 77 person, can create change at a societal scale. When you have enough support at 78 a societal level, you can affect community (and legislative) change in a way 79 that lasts. 80 81 Changing society by changing people 82 83 I came of age during the height of the movement for gay rights. That movement 84 largely won in the UK by persuading people that being gay wasn’t being “other”, 85 but something normal. I grew up with literally nobody who was both gay and out 86 around me. Being gay was very much “other” to me. It’s easy to see why people 87 stayed firmly in the closet. Anyone who came out in the 1980s in a Scottish 88 school would have supplanted me as the best person to bully pretty damn 89 quickly. 90 91 But, within a year of coming to London for university, that changed. Friends 92 came out to me, and I made friends with people who were out before I knew them. 93 My emotional reaction to gay people quickly aligned with my pre-existing 94 intellectual response, of wondering what the hell was the point of forcing 95 people to pretend to be something they aren’t, and deny their selves? But I was 96 an easy convert. I was already inclined towards that belief. 97 98 My parents’ generation? Much harder. Nevertheless, I saw my parents change 99 their views. They were what I would describe as culturally homophobic because 100 the culture at the time was homophobic. And then they met my gay friends, and 101 the “otherness” disappeared. By the time they retired and moved south, they 102 were friends with the gay couple who lived in the folly behind their house. 103 Indeed, one of that couple would go on to be the organist that played in the 104 church for both of my parents' funerals. They would have been touched by that. 105 Both of them expressed bafflement that the church was having such an issue with 106 gay people at the time. Change. 107 108 And this was just part of a much wider move in society through the 90s and the 109 2000s. It says something of the success of the gay rights movement in the UK 110 that it was our [15]mainstream right-wing party that granted marriage equality. 111 112 If I’d cancelled my parents over that earlier views, would they have been as 113 much a part of that shift as they were? 114 115 Normalisation is a powerful tool of change 116 117 The more we cancel people, the more we hinder the process of normalisation. And 118 that process I see profoundly changing the world around me. My daughters have 119 grown up with a gay couple living a few doors down; they studied in a school 120 where one of their fellow pupils has two dads. They attend a church where they 121 regularly chat with an elderly lesbian couple and their delightful dog, and 122 where they’re welcomed by a trans woman. One of the eldest’s school friends has 123 a trans woman parent. The reality of the world around them makes many 124 homophobic and transphobic views look utterly ridiculous to them. 125 126 Now, how does that function online? 127 128 There’s a very specific community I’m alluding to here because a member of that 129 community is currently under attack. Why? A combination of things. He’s shown 130 enthusiasm for a certain individual’s automative and astronautics endeavours 131 which others feel are too tainted by his politics, and also for some statements 132 that, I think, were certainly ill-judged, and could easily be viewed as 133 discriminatory. I’m certainly not comfortable with them, and would be 134 re-evaluating my position if they recur. 135 136 However, that community which he has been part of building is, in my 137 perception, largely LGBTQIA+ friendly. Many of the people I follow and interact 138 with fit into that spectrum. It’s… normal there. This is a community where 139 LGBTQIA+ acceptance is normal, and the statements he made are considered 140 abnormal. That’s healthy. Now, the question is: should he be driven from that 141 community? 142 143 Accountability in action 144 145 We can’t escape the fact that he has said things that make some of those people 146 uncomfortable. Nor should we. That’s clearly an issue. And somebody external to 147 that community is demanding that he be held accountable, that the community 148 owner makes very specific statements, and that the individual is removed from 149 paid employment in the community and, by extension, the community itself. 150 151 This is, in my mind, very much about power, even if expressed through the 152 language of accountability and allyship. Some of the phraseology the individual 153 uses makes that apparent. Here’s just one example: 154 155 I get that you might not experience bigotry the same way that others do, 156 and maybe this affects your ability to recognize when harm has been done. 157 That’s for you to work on. 158 159 That would have been a more useful statement without that last sentence. It’s 160 very hard not to read that one in a way that’s both patronising and superior. 161 He’s literally telling somebody else what they’re experiencing and what they 162 should do. There’s a tone of moral authority to it that lacks humility. And 163 he’s also, in other postings, demanding very specific things from the community 164 owner — statements, answers to questions, removal of a staff member — and will 165 continue to trash his business online if he doesn’t get it. And all of that 166 from a competitor. 167 168 It’s difficult to see a clear moral high ground here. 169 170 Let’s, as a thought experiment, think about what that means if it comes to 171 pass. 172 173 The impact of exclusion 174 175 First of all, that individual is removed from a community where certain ideas 176 that maybe he’s uncomfortable with are normalised. It’s likely that the places 177 he’ll find welcoming are going to share much more extreme versions of those 178 views. How does it help the LGBTQIA+ community to drive people away into the 179 arms of those people? It just takes someone and forges them into an enemy. My 180 God, now of all times, the LGBTQIA+ community do NOT need more enemies. 181 182 But if we allow the normal social process of “mate, that’s out of order. 183 Apologise, and let’s move on” happen, the process of normalisation can 184 continue, as it did for my parents years ago. They can see that these people 185 and their allies aren’t the enemy, but just people with different ways of 186 being, desires and life choices. They’re not a threat. Fundamentally, they’re 187 just people who happen to be LGBTQIA+. 188 189 🙏 190 One of the things I like about the Christian idea of forgiveness, once I 191 engaged with it seriously, is that it’s not about the person being forgiven; 192 it’s about the person doing the forgiving. It’s about the damage one does to 193 oneself by carrying hatred and anger in your heart. 194 195 Now, I’m not denying that there are people whose views are so abhorrent and who 196 are so unrepentant that yes, community exclusion is the only path for the good 197 of the community. Any community is defined by its rules and its norms, but 198 those are only real if enforced. Community management is a skill, and a vital 199 one. And that means knowing when exclusion is for the good of the community. 200 201 But when people try to force out people who have yet to prove that they can’t 202 clear that bar, it looks more like an exercise of power. Currently, my position 203 is that, if the individual proves unrepentant and continues down this path, 204 then yes, community exclusion would be the best outcome. But I don’t, yet, see 205 that signs that it is necessary. 206 207 🇺🇸 208 It’s also worth noting that, as so often happens online, all this is being 209 filtered through the lens of US politics. The individual in question does not 210 live in the US; he lives in Eastern Europe. Different country, different 211 culture, different social norms. Not an excuse — but relevant context. 212 213 The acquisition of power 214 215 And that brings me to the second consequence of my thought experiment: if it 216 all happens as the external person wishes, they are now effectively in charge 217 of the community. They police what is and isn’t acceptable within the 218 community, not the owner, and not the members. That’s not about allyship, or 219 accountability. That’s about power, pure and simple. And when that person owns 220 a direct competitor, well, there are some questions to be asked about 221 motivation. 222 223 That would, for me, be the end of that community. Because this particular space 224 is both a business and a community, and this is where community management 225 comes into play. The business owner can do whatever he likes, but the space and 226 the community are not the same thing: one hosts the other. And that community 227 will, and should, make its own decision about the situation. 228 229 I’m always open to persuasion, but I’m never happy to be told what I should 230 think. As a member of the community, I’m happy to have potential problems 231 pointed out, and will evaluate the evidence and the behaviour of the person in 232 question, exactly as I do and have in the physical, proximate communities I’m 233 part of. But, collectively, we as community members make the decision — or 234 judge the community host on how he handles it. 235 236 Justice is slow and deliberate. And that’s a lesson from history. 237 238 What I will not put up with is a style of political witch-hunting and language 239 emerging in a community that I joined specifically to avoid that. Enough of my 240 life has been tainted by bullies. I won’t grant them my attention, and that 241 includes well-meaning bullies, who think they are on the side of the angels. 242 243 There is a tension between real-world processes of justice, which grind slowly 244 and with deliberation for good reasons, and the adrenaline and anger fuelled 245 quest for justice in social media. I know which I prefer. 246 247 We need to bring the lessons of history into our new social spaces. 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