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      1 [1]Blog [2]About [3]Moonbound
      2 
      3 This is a post from [4]Robin Sloan’s lab blog & notebook. You can [5]visit the
      4 blog’s homepage, or [6]learn more about me.
      5 
      6 [7]Is it okay?
      7 
      8 February 11, 2025 Macbeth Consulting the Witches, 1825, Eugène Delacroix [8]
      9 Macbeth Consulting the Witches, 1825, Eugène Delacroix
     10 
     11 How do you make a language model? Goes like this: erect a trellis of code, then
     12 allow the real program to grow, its development guided by a grueling training
     13 process, fueled by reams of text, mostly scraped from the internet. Now. I want
     14 to take a moment to think together about a question with no remaining practical
     15 importance, but persistent moral urgency:
     16 
     17 Is that okay?
     18 
     19 The question doesn’t have any practical importance because the AI companies — 
     20 and not only the companies, but the enthusiasts, all over the world — are going
     21 to keep doing what they’re doing, no matter what.
     22 
     23 The question does still have moral urgency because, at its heart, it’s a ques
     24 tion about the things people all share together: the hows and the whys of
     25 humanity’s common inheritance. There’s hardly anything bigger.
     26 
     27 And, even if the companies and the enthusiasts rampage ahead, there are still
     28 plenty of us who have to make personal decisions about this stuff every day.
     29 You gotta take care of your own soul, and I’m writing this because I want to
     30 clarify mine.
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     33 
     34 A few ground rules.
     35 
     36 First, if you (you engineer, you AI acolyte!) think the answer is obviously
     37 “yes, it’s okay”, or if you (you journalist, you media executive!) think the
     38 answer is obviously “no, it’s not okay”, then I will suggest that you are not
     39 thinking with sufficient sensitivity and imagination about something truly new
     40 on Earth. Nothing here is obvious.
     41 
     42 Second, I’d like to proceed by depriving each side of its best weapon.
     43 
     44 On the side of “yes, it’s okay”, I will insist that the analogy to human
     45 learning is not admissible. “Don’t people read things, and learn from them, and
     46 produce new work?” Yes, but speed and scale always influence our judgments
     47 about safety and permissibility, and the speed and scale of machine learning is
     48 off the charts. No human, no matter how well-read, could ever field requests
     49 from a million other people, all at once, forever.
     50 
     51 On the side of “no, it’s not okay”, I will set aside any arguments grounded in
     52 copyright law. Not because they are irrelevant, but because … well, I think
     53 modern copyright is flawed, so a victory on those grounds would be thin, a bit
     54 sad. Instead, I’ll defer to deeper precedents: the intuitions and aspirations
     55 that gave rise to copyright in the first place. To promote the Progress of Sci
     56 ence and useful Arts, remember?
     57 
     58 I hope partisans of both sides will agree this is a fair swap. Put down your
     59 weapons, and let’s think together.
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     62 
     63 I want to go carefully, step by step — yet I want to do so with brevity. Lan
     64 guage models produce so … many … WORDS, and they seem to coax just as many out
     65 of their critics. Logorrhea begets logorrhea. We can do better.
     66 
     67 I’ll begin with my sense of what language models are doing. Here it is: lan
     68 guage models collate and precipitate all the diverse reasons for writing,
     69 across a huge swath of human activity and aspiration. Start to enumerate those
     70 reasons: to inform, to persuade, to sell this stupid alarm clock, to dump the
     71 CUSTOMERS table into a CSV file … and you realize it’s a vast field of desire
     72 and action, impossible to hold in your head.
     73 
     74 The language models have many heads.
     75 
     76 In this formulation, language models are not merely trained on human writing.
     77 They are the writing: all those reasons, granted the ability to speak for
     78 themselves. I imagine the PyTorch code as a mech suit, with squishy language
     79 strapped in tight … 
     80 
     81 To make this work — you already know this, but I want to underscore it — only a
     82 truly rich trove of writing suffices. Train a language model on all of
     83 Shakespeare’s works and you won’t get anything useful, just a brittle
     84 Shakespeare imitator.
     85 
     86 In fact, the only trove known to produce noteworthy capabilities is: the entire
     87 internet, or close enough. The whole extant commons of human writing. From here
     88 on out, for brevity, we’ll call it Everything.
     89 
     90 This is what makes these language models new: there has never, in human
     91 history, been a way to operationalize Everything. There’s never been any
     92 thing close.
     93 
     94 Just as, above, I set copyright aside, I want also to set aside fair use and
     95 the public domain. Again, not because they are irrelevant, but because those
     96 intuitions and frameworks all assume we are talking about using some part of
     97 the commons — not all of it.
     98 
     99 I mean: ALL of it!
    100 
    101 If language models worked like cartoon villains, slurping up Everything and
    102 tainting it with techno-ooze, our judgment would be easy. But of course, digiti
    103 zation is trickier than that: the airy touch of the copy complicates the sce
    104 nario.
    105 
    106 The language model reads Everything, and leaves Everything untouched — yet sud
    107 denly this new thing exists, with strange and formidable powers.
    108 
    109 Is that okay?
    110 
    111 ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
    112 
    113 As we begin to feel our way across truly new terrain, we can inquire: how much
    114 of the value of these models comes from Everything? If the fraction was just
    115 one percent, or even ten, then we wouldn’t have much more to say.
    116 
    117 But the fraction is, for sure, larger than that.
    118 
    119 What goes into a language model? Data and compute.
    120 
    121 For the foundation models like Claude, data means: Everything.
    122 
    123 Compute combines two pursuits:
    124 
    125  1. software: the trellises and applications that support the development and
    126     deployment of these models, and
    127 
    128  2. hardware: the vast sultry data centers, stocked with chips, that give them
    129     room to run
    130 
    131 There’s a lot of value in those pursuits; I don’t take either for granted, or
    132 the labor they require. The experience you get using a model like Claude
    133 depends on an ingenious scaffolding. [9]Truly! At the same time: I believe
    134 anyone who works on these models has to concede that the trellises and the
    135 chips, without data, are empty vessels. Inert.
    136 
    137 Reasonable people can disagree about how the value breaks down. While I believe
    138 the relative value of Everything in this mix is something close to 90%, I’m
    139 willing to concede a 50/50 split.
    140 
    141 And here is the important thing: there is no substitute.
    142 
    143 You’ve probably heard about the race to generate novel training data, and all
    144 the interesting effects such data can have. It is sometimes lost in those dis
    145 cussions that these sophisticated new curricula can only be provided to a lan
    146 guage model already trained on Everything. That training is what allows it to
    147 make sense of the new material.
    148 
    149 Also, it is often the case — not always, but often — that the novel training
    150 data is generated by … a language model … which has itself been trained
    151 on … you guessed it.
    152 
    153 It’s Everything, all the way down.
    154 
    155 Would it be possible to commission a fresh body of work, Everything’s equal in
    156 scale and diversity, without any of the encumbrances of the commons? If you
    157 could do it, and you trained a clean-room model on that writing alone, I con
    158 cede that my question would be moot. (There would be other questions! Just not
    159 this one.) Certainly, with as much money as the AI companies have now, you’d
    160 expect they might try. We know they are already paying to produce new content,
    161 lots of it, across all sorts of business and technical domains.
    162 
    163 But this still wouldn’t match the depth and richness of Everything. I have a
    164 hypothesis, which naturally might be wrong: that it is precisely the naivete of
    165 Everything, the fact that its writing was actually produced for all those dif
    166 ferent reasons, that makes it so valuable. Composing a fake corporate email,
    167 knowing it will be used to train a language model, you’re not doing nothing,
    168 but you’re not doing the same thing as the real email-writer. Your document
    169 doesn’t have the same … what? The same grain. The same umami.
    170 
    171 Maybe one of these companies will spend ten billion dollars to commission a
    172 whole new internet’s worth of text and prove me wrong. However, I think there
    173 are information-theoretic reasons to believe the results of such a project
    174 would disappoint them.
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    177 
    178 So! Understanding that these models are reliant on Everything, and derive a
    179 large fraction of their value from it, one judgment becomes clear:
    180 
    181 If their primary application is to produce writing and other media that crowds
    182 out human composition, human production: no, it’s not okay.
    183 
    184 For me, this is intuitively, almost viscerally, obvious. Here is the ultimate
    185 act of pulling the ladder up behind you, a giant “fuck you” to every human who
    186 ever wanted to accomplish anything, who matched desire to action, in writing,
    187 part of Everything. Here is a technology founded in the commons, working to
    188 undermine it. Immanuel Kant would like a word.
    189 
    190 Fine. But what if that isn’t the primary application? What if language models,
    191 by collating and precipitating all the diverse reasons for writing, become flex
    192 ible general-purpose reasoners, and most of their “output” is never actually
    193 read by anyone, instead running silent like the electricity in your walls?
    194 
    195 It’s possible that language models could go on broadening and deepening in this
    196 way, and eventually become valuable [10]aids to science and technology, [11]to
    197 medicine and more.
    198 
    199 This is tricky — it’s so, so tricky — because the claim is both (1) true, and
    200 (2) convenient. One wishes it wasn’t so convenient. Can’t these companies
    201 simply promise, with every passing year, that AI super science is just around
    202 the corner … and meanwhile, wreck every creative industry, flood the internet
    203 with garbage, grow rich on the value of Everything? Let us cook—while culture
    204 fades into a sort of oatmeal sludge.
    205 
    206 They can do that! They probably will. And the claim might still be true.
    207 
    208 If super science is a possibility — if, say, Claude 13 can help deliver cures
    209 to a host of diseases — then, you know what? Yes, it is okay, all of it. I’m
    210 not sure what kind of person could insist that the maintenance of a media
    211 status quo trumps the eradication of, say, most cancers. Couldn’t be me. Fine,
    212 wreck the arts as we know them. We’ll invent new ones.
    213 
    214 (I know that seems awfully consequentialist. Would I sacrifice anything, or
    215 everything, for super science? No. But art and media can find new forms. That’s
    216 what they do.)
    217 
    218 Obviously, this scenario is especially appealing if the super science, like
    219 Everything at its foundation, flows out into the commons. It should.
    220 
    221 So — is super science really on the menu? We don’t have any way of knowing; not
    222 yet. Things will be clearer in a few years, I think. There will either be real
    223 undeniable glimmers, reported by scientists putting language models to work, or
    224 there will still only be visions.
    225 
    226 For my part, I think the chance of super science is below fifty percent, owing
    227 mostly to the friction of the real physical world, which the language models
    228 have, so far, avoided. But, I also think the chance is above ten percent, so,
    229 I remain curious.
    230 
    231 It’s not unreasonable to find this wager suspicious, but if you do, I might
    232 ask: is there any possible-but-unproven technology that you think is worth pur
    233 suing even at the cost of itchy uncertainty in the present? If the answer is
    234 “yes, just not this one”: fair enough. If the answer is “no”: aha! I see you’ve
    235 answered the question at the top of this page for yourself already.
    236 
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    238 
    239 Where does this leave us?
    240 
    241 I suppose it’s not surprising, in the end:
    242 
    243 If an AI application delivers some profound public good, or even if it might,
    244 it’s probably okay that its value is rooted in this unprecedented operational
    245 ization of the commons.
    246 
    247 If an AI application simply replicates Everything, it’s probably not okay.
    248 
    249 I’ll sketch out my current opinions more specifically:
    250 
    251 I think the image generation models, trained on the Everything of pictures,
    252 are: probably not okay. They don’t do anything except make more images. They
    253 pee in the pool.
    254 
    255 I think the foundation models like Claude are: probably okay. If it seemed, a
    256 couple of years ago, that they were going to be used mainly to barf out text,
    257 that impression has faded. It’s clear their applications are diverse, and often
    258 have more to do with processes than end products.
    259 
    260 The case of translation is compelling. If language models are, indeed, the
    261 Babel fish, they might justify the operationalization of the commons even
    262 without super science.
    263 
    264 I think the case of code is especially clear, and, for me, basically settled.
    265 That’s both (1) because of where code sits in the creative process, as an inter
    266 mediate product, the thing that makes the thing, and (2) because the commons of
    267 open-source code has carried the expectation of rich and surprising reuse for
    268 decades. I think this application has, in fact, already passed the threshold of
    269 “profound public good”: opening up programming to whole new groups of people.
    270 
    271 But, again, it’s important to say: the code only works because of Everything.
    272 Take that data away, train a model using GitHub alone, and you’ll get a far
    273 less useful tool.
    274 
    275 Maybe (it turns out) I’m less interested in litigating my foundational question
    276 and more interested in simply insisting on the overwhelming, irreplaceable con
    277 tribution of this great central treasure: all of us, writing, for every conceiv
    278 able reason; desire and action, impossible to hold in your head.
    279 
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    281 
    282 Did we make progress here? I think so. It’s possible my question, at the
    283 outset, seemed broad. In fact, it’s fairly narrow, about this core mechanism,
    284 the operationalization of the commons: whether I can live with it, or not.
    285 
    286 One extreme: if these machines churn through all media, and then, in their
    287 deployment, blow away any prospect for a healthy market for human-made media,
    288 I’d say, no, that’s not what we want from technology, or from our future.
    289 
    290 Another extreme: if these machines churn through all media, and then, in their
    291 deployment, discover several superconductors and cure all cancers, I’d say,
    292 okay … we’re good.
    293 
    294 What if they do both? Well, it would be a bummer for media, but on balance I’d
    295 take it. There will always be ways for artists to get out ahead again. More on
    296 that in another post.
    297 
    298 I also think there are some potential policy remedies that would even out the
    299 allocation of value here — although, these days, imagining interesting policy
    300 is a sort of fantastical entertainment. Even so, I’ll post about those later,
    301 too.
    302 
    303 In this discussion, I set copyright and fair use aside. I should say, however,
    304 that I’m not at all interested in clearing the air for AI companies, legally.
    305 They’ve chosen to plunge ahead into new terrain — so let them enjoy the fog of
    306 war, Civ-style. Let them cook!
    307 
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    320 References:
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    322 [1] https://www.robinsloan.com/lab/
    323 [2] https://www.robinsloan.com/about/
    324 [3] https://www.robinsloan.com/moonbound/
    325 [4] https://www.robinsloan.com/
    326 [5] https://www.robinsloan.com/lab/
    327 [6] https://www.robinsloan.com/about/
    328 [7] https://www.robinsloan.com/lab/is-it-okay/
    329 [8] https://www.clevelandart.org/art/1962.109?utm_source=Robin_Sloan_sent_me
    330 [9] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugvHCXCOmm4#t=9780
    331 [10] https://research.google/blog/accelerating-scientific-breakthroughs-with-an-ai-co-scientist/?utm_source=Robin_Sloan_sent_me
    332 [11] https://darioamodei.com/machines-of-loving-grace?utm_source=Robin_Sloan_sent_me
    333 [12] https://www.robinsloan.com/lab/
    334 [13] https://www.robinsloan.com/about?utm_source=Robin_Sloan_sent_me
    335 [16] https://www.robinsloan.com/colophon/