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Toward A Theory Of Kevin Roose
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"You can't be a serious critic," New York Times technology reporter Kevin Roose
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wrote on Tuesday, [44]on Bluesky, about artificial intelligence, "if you're in
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denial about how useful it is." Narrowly, in strict terms, this is true: You
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can't be a serious critic of anything if you are in denial about any part of
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it, where "in denial" describes an irrational and unfounded rejection of
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empirical reality. That's hardly even worth saying, but it's also not really
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what Roose is saying.
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What Roose wants is to put an entire suite of claims about the technology
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presently doing business as "artificial intelligence"—not just that it has more
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than zero uses (a thing nobody really denies) but that it truly is artificial
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intelligence or anything like it; that it represents a profound leap forward
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for technology and human endeavor; that it is the future; that, as such,
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adopting it and integrating it into day-to-day work and life processes is the
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smart move—beyond dispute. He wants to marginalize the many technology experts,
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media knowers, and sharp lay readers who have for years been calling his work
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on behalf of those claims appalling boobery. He wants his readers to view all
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of those critics as coterminous with whatever minor body of irrelevant
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five-follower internet loons might bother trying to argue the literal
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uselessness of a predictive text generator or a program that collates search
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engine results into layperson's language. He wants his readers to think of all
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the critics as united in an essentially pathological relationship with the
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observable world. And he wants the juice of dancing this shitty little
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passive-aggressive jig on Bluesky, the social-media platform where many of
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those critics will encounter his work and, while dunking on it, also share it
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around to some number of people who will read it.
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Why do this crap? I think that I would be embarrassed. I think that after I'd
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[45]gassed up cryptocurrency and NFTs in the New York Times and told New York
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Times readers that the Bing search engine was trying to [46]steal me away from
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my wife, I would have asked my editor if maybe I could cover the Broadway beat
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for a while instead of continuing to smirk at the world while pouring fire ants
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down the front of my shorts for a living. So: Why do it? But also: How?
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I think about these questions a lot, certainly more than I should. (Not just
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about Kevin Roose! Sometimes also about Felix Salmon.) Some two decades since
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the digital-media attention economy took shape and, sheesh, like 13 years into
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my own career working in that economy, the list of the cold incentives that
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might drive a journalist toward this type of routine—attention, website
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traffic, access to industry honchos otherwise not inclined toward talking to
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the press, the possibility of later getting a nice job from one of them—is
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depressingly easy to conjure. But that list's plausibility as a Kevin Roose
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Explainer is, for me, limited by my fixed standing assumption that other people
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have and value dignity.
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Something occurred to me the other day when I was thinking about this—not even
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Tuesday! Not even prompted by this particular Kevin Roose Bluesky post!—and has
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been sort of following me around since, making me feel squirmy and
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uncomfortable and haunted. What occurred to me was the possibility that what
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had seemed, to me, like it could only come from a chilling and impossible level
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of cynicism might come instead from a perverse and even more chilling variety
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of mostly genuine belief. Not in the transformative power of AI! I'm talking
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about something wider and deeper and more frightening than that: a genuine and
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horribly earnest belief in not believing in anything.
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My suspicion, my awful awful newfound theory, is that there are people with a
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sincere and even kind of innocent belief that we are all just picking winners,
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in everything: that ideology, advocacy, analysis, criticism, affinity, even
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taste and style and association are essentially predictions. That what a person
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tries to do, the essential task of a person, is to identify who and what is
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going to come out on top, and align with it. The rest—what you say, what you
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do—is just enacting your pick and working in service to it.
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I was thinking about a lot of different stuff. I was thinking about the
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phenomenon of small-fry sports-bettor bros with no passion for any serious
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right-wing politics going big for Donald Trump in 2024 based on a view of their
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vote as something like a wager, and of Trump as the bold, ambitious
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choice—risky, but with the bigger potential payout. I was thinking about
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sophisticated, high-achieving tech-industry types abruptly throwing off all of
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their (thin, half-cooked, fundamentally dogshit, but still) liberal-libertarian
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politics to get behind an explicitly authoritarian program and help build its
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surveillance state. I was thinking about bushy-tailed go-getter types in legacy
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media who kept their language carefully bland around policing reform,
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anti-racism, and social justice during those topics' brief heightened salience
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around the George Floyd protests, and then smoothly pivoted to criticizing the
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excesses of woke when the winds changed. I was thinking about randos whom Elon
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Musk would not cross a sidewalk to piss on if they were on fire, who, when
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Trump invited Musk to gut federal government agencies and programs that benefit
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their own lives, rushed to tweet GIFs of Musk, like, dunking on somebody's head
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at his critics. I was thinking about [47]bag culture. And I was thinking about
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Kevin Roose, serially and with apparent enthusiasm donning each next pair of
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gigantic clown shoes handed to him by this or that Silicon Valley titan, and
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dancing in them long past the point when everybody else figured out it was all
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on behalf of a grift.
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To these people this kind of thing is not cynicism, both because they believe
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it's just what everybody is doing and because they do not regard it as ugly or
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underhanded or whatever. Making the right pick is simply being smart. And not
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necessarily in some kind of edgy-cool or subversive way, but smart the very
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same shit-eating way that the dorkus malorkus who gets onto a friendly
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first-name basis with the middle-school assistant principal is smart. They just
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want to be smart.
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So these people look at, say, socialists, and they see fools—not because of
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moral or ethical objections to socialism or whatever, or because of any
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authentically held objections or analysis at all, but simply because they can
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see that, at present, socialism is not winning. All the most powerful guys are
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against it. Can't those fools see it? They have picked a loser. They should
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pick the winner instead.
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Likewise, when all the rich guys got behind cryptocurrency, and all the rich
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cryptocurrency guys got behind Donald Trump, for these people the thing to do
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was very obvious, even if they had previously regarded crypto as a scam: not
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just to buy some cryptocurrency—the kind of move any cynic might make—but to
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adopt the attitudes and positions of a crypto enthusiast. Neither their
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conscience nor their concept of dignity troubles them in this switcheroo,
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because they take for granted that this is the precise way everyone forms the
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stuff they say and appear to think. In their view, someone like me dumps on
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cryptocurrency not because of an analytical conclusion that it sucks and is a
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scam, or because of a moral conclusion that as a scam it is reprehensible, but
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because I am making a pragmatic prediction that it will fail; my arguments for
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it being bad, in this view, are at best just the articulation of the reasons
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why I think it will not win.
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Personally, when Donald Trump won the 2024 presidential election and threw open
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the regulatory gates for crypto, I saw it as a bleak and bitter vindication of
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crypto skepticism: Critics had always been right to have identified it as a
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tool of predators and scam artists, and now, in its embrace by the most brazen
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undisguised crook in American society and the gleeful removal of all safeguards
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protecting people from it, everyone could see it for what it is. For the
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specimens we are examining here today, they saw almost the exact opposite: not
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just a victory for crypto and its boosters, but an actual self-evident
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refutation of crypto skeptics' arguments—for the simple reason that these
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people understood those arguments to have always been at root a prediction that
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crypto would lose, and crypto had won.
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This has not been how I have approached my life—I think that's sort of
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painfully obvious—and I think in general it is mostly not how people approach
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their lives. I think in general even really flawed and derelict people like me
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are trying to figure out what's right or what's best or what's just or what's
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fair, or at least some workable compromise between the demands of those pesky
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ideas and our desire for near-term comfort and stability. I think in general
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people only form associations on the basis of what they think will win in
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certain discrete circumstances, like betting on a horse race or making
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stock-market trades or whatever; the rest of life is more complicated than
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that. You vote for the candidate you think will represent your interests in
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government and you hope they will win; you do not try to figure out who is
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going to win and then vote for them. You praise the beauty of an artwork
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because you think it's beautiful, not because you expect it will smash
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auction-price records. You root for the Sacramento Kings because you are a sick
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pervert, not because you believe they will ever win the NBA Finals.
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And so, for probably most people, it would be sort of uncomfortable to, for
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example, shrug off the social ideas you'd vocally advocated for and throw
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yourself behind a political movement in direct opposition to all of them! Not
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only on principle—you'd actually believed that stuff, after all—but because of
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things like dignity and even vanity: People in general do not want to look like
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turncoats, scumbags, or frontrunners. Likewise, for probably most people, the
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dissolution of a succession of huge tech-industry hypes having exposed you as a
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[48]world-historic stooge and imbecile might temper your eagerness to deliver a
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public Funkmaster Flex routine on behalf of AI companies! Not even for
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particularly admirable reasons; you might just be tired of looking like a
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world-historic stooge and imbecile in the New York Times.
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But now imagine believing that victory, whenever it arrived and on whatever
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terms it was accomplished, would automatically redeem all that debasement. If
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you believed that Trump winning would mean that everyone who supported him was
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right to have done so, because they had picked the winner; that the mega-rich
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AI industry buying its way into all corners of American society would mean that
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critics of the technology and of using it to displace human labors were not
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just defeated but meaningfully wrong in their criticisms; that some celebrity
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getting richer from a crypto rug-pull that ripped off hundreds of thousands of
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less-rich people would actually vindicate the celebrity's choice to participate
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in it, because of how much richer it made them. Imagine holding this as an
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authentic understanding of how the world works: that the simple binary outcome
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of a contest had the power to reach back through time and adjust the ethical
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and moral weight of the contestants' choices along the way. Maybe, in that
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case, you would feel differently about what to the rest of us looks like
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straight-up shit eating.
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This, I think, is how a guy like Kevin Roose can do what he does without
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apparent embarrassment, without ever seeming to have learned anything or to
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have been chastened in the least by a series of cigars exploding in his face
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right after he told everyone in the world that smoking these
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guaranteed-not-to-explode cigars was the way of the future. He is playing the
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long game. Non-fungible tokens turned out to be a musical-chairs scam, Web3
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nothing more than a Sony PlayStation in helmet form, crypto at best a
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speculative asset class and at worse a wilderness of Ponzi schemes. AI might
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turn out to be just the ruinous money-pit Potemkin singularity that critics and
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scholars and experts (and I) think it is.
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My theory of Kevin Roose is this: His bet is not on any of these individually,
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but on the very rich and very powerful men and institutions backing them. He
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thinks they are going to win, and that when they do win, it won't matter that
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the rest of us regarded his sucking up to them as a disgrace to journalism and
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human dignity. He is, I suppose I must grant, being very smart.
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[52]Albert Burneko
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A heartfelt provocation about AI-assisted programming.
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Tech execs are mandating LLM adoption. That’s bad strategy. But I get where
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they’re coming from.
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Some of the smartest people I know share a bone-deep belief that AI is a fad —
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the next iteration of NFT mania. I’ve been reluctant to push back on them,
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because, well, they’re smarter than me. But their arguments are unserious, and
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worth confronting. Extraordinarily talented people are doing work that LLMs
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already do better, out of spite.
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All progress on LLMs could halt today, and LLMs would remain the 2nd most
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important thing to happen over the course of my career.
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Important caveat: I’m discussing only the implications of LLMs for software
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development. For art, music, and writing? I got nothing. I’m inclined to
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believe the skeptics in those fields. I just don’t believe them about mine.
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Bona fides: I’ve been shipping software since the mid-1990s. I started out in
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boxed, shrink-wrap C code. Survived an ill-advised [40]Alexandrescu C++ phase.
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Lots of Ruby and Python tooling. Some kernel work. A whole lot of server-side
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C, Go, and Rust. However you define “serious developer”, I qualify. Even if
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only on one of your lower tiers.
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[41]level setting
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† (or, God forbid, 2 years ago with Copilot)
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First, we need to get on the same page. If you were trying and failing to use
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an LLM for code 6 months ago †, you’re not doing what most serious LLM-assisted
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coders are doing.
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People coding with LLMs today use agents. Agents get to poke around your
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codebase on their own. They author files directly. They run tools. They compile
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code, run tests, and iterate on the results. They also:
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• pull in arbitrary code from the tree, or from other trees online, into
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their context windows,
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• run standard Unix tools to navigate the tree and extract information,
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• interact with Git,
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• run existing tooling, like linters, formatters, and model checkers, and
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• make essentially arbitrary tool calls (that you set up) through MCP.
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The code in an agent that actually “does stuff” with code is not, itself, AI.
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This should reassure you. It’s surprisingly simple systems code, wired to
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ground truth about programming in the same way a Makefile is. You could write
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an effective coding agent in a weekend. Its strengths would have more to do
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with how you think about and structure builds and linting and test harnesses
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than with how advanced o3 or Sonnet have become.
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If you’re making requests on a ChatGPT page and then pasting the resulting
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(broken) code into your editor, you’re not doing what the AI boosters are
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doing. No wonder you’re talking past each other.
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[42]the positive case
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four quadrants of tedium and importance
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LLMs can write a large fraction of all the tedious code you’ll ever need to
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write. And most code on most projects is tedious. LLMs drastically reduce the
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number of things you’ll ever need to Google. They look things up themselves.
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Most importantly, they don’t get tired; they’re immune to inertia.
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Think of anything you wanted to build but didn’t. You tried to home in on some
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first steps. If you’d been in the limerent phase of a new programming language,
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you’d have started writing. But you weren’t, so you put it off, for a day, a
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year, or your whole career.
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I can feel my blood pressure rising thinking of all the bookkeeping and
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Googling and dependency drama of a new project. An LLM can be instructed to
|
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just figure all that shit out. Often, it will drop you precisely at that golden
|
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moment where shit almost works, and development means tweaking code and
|
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immediately seeing things work better. That dopamine hit is why I code.
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There’s a downside. Sometimes, gnarly stuff needs doing. But you don’t wanna do
|
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it. So you refactor unit tests, soothing yourself with the lie that you’re
|
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doing real work. But an LLM can be told to go refactor all your unit tests. An
|
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agent can occupy itself for hours putzing with your tests in a VM and come back
|
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later with a PR. If you listen to me, you’ll know that. You’ll feel worse
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yak-shaving. You’ll end up doing… real work.
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[43]but you have no idea what the code is
|
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Are you a vibe coding Youtuber? Can you not read code? If so: astute point.
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Otherwise: what the fuck is wrong with you?
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You’ve always been responsible for what you merge to main. You were five years
|
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go. And you are tomorrow, whether or not you use an LLM.
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If you build something with an LLM that people will depend on, read the code.
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In fact, you’ll probably do more than that. You’ll spend 5-10 minutes knocking
|
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it back into your own style. LLMs are [44]showing signs of adapting to local
|
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idiom, but we’re not there yet.
|
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People complain about LLM-generated code being “probabilistic”. No it isn’t.
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It’s code. It’s not Yacc output. It’s knowable. The LLM might be stochastic.
|
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But the LLM doesn’t matter. What matters is whether you can make sense of the
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result, and whether your guardrails hold.
|
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Reading other people’s code is part of the job. If you can’t metabolize the
|
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boring, repetitive code an LLM generates: skills issue! How are you handling
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the chaos human developers turn out on a deadline?
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† (because it can hold 50-70kloc in its context window)
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For the last month or so, Gemini 2.5 has been my go-to †. Almost nothing it
|
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spits out for me merges without edits. I’m sure there’s a skill to getting a
|
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SOTA model to one-shot a feature-plus-merge! But I don’t care. I like moving
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the code around and chuckling to myself while I delete all the stupid comments.
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I have to read the code line-by-line anyways.
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[45]but hallucination
|
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|
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signature, the agent sees the error. They feed it back to the LLM, which says
|
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“oh, right, I totally made that up” and then tries again.
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You’ll only notice this happening if you watch the chain of thought log your
|
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agent generates. Don’t. This is why I like [46]Zed’s agent mode: it begs you to
|
||||
tab away and let it work, and pings you with a desktop notification when it’s
|
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done.
|
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I’m sure there are still environments where hallucination matters. But
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“hallucination” is the first thing developers bring up when someone suggests
|
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using LLMs, despite it being (more or less) a solved problem.
|
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[47]but the code is shitty, like that of a junior developer
|
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|
||||
Does an intern cost $20/month? Because that’s what Cursor.ai costs.
|
||||
|
||||
Part of being a senior developer is making less-able coders productive, be they
|
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fleshly or algebraic. Using agents well is both a both a skill and an
|
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engineering project all its own, of prompts, indices, [48]and (especially)
|
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tooling. LLMs only produce shitty code if you let them.
|
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|
||||
† (Also: 100% of all the Bash code you should author ever again)
|
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|
||||
Maybe the current confusion is about who’s doing what work. Today, LLMs do a
|
||||
lot of typing, Googling, test cases †, and edit-compile-test-debug cycles. But
|
||||
even the most Claude-poisoned serious developers in the world still own
|
||||
curation, judgement, guidance, and direction.
|
||||
|
||||
Also: let’s stop kidding ourselves about how good our human first cuts really
|
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are.
|
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|
||||
[49]but it’s bad at rust
|
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|
||||
It’s hard to get a good toolchain for Brainfuck, too. Life’s tough in the
|
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aluminum siding business.
|
||||
|
||||
† (and they surely will; the Rust community takes tooling seriously)
|
||||
|
||||
A lot of LLM skepticism probably isn’t really about LLMs. It’s projection.
|
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People say “LLMs can’t code” when what they really mean is “LLMs can’t write
|
||||
Rust”. Fair enough! But people select languages in part based on how well LLMs
|
||||
work with them, so Rust people should get on that †.
|
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|
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I work mostly in Go. I’m confident the designers of the Go programming language
|
||||
didn’t set out to produce the most LLM-legible language in the industry. They
|
||||
succeeded nonetheless. Go has just enough type safety, an extensive standard
|
||||
library, and a culture that prizes (often repetitive) idiom. LLMs kick ass
|
||||
generating it.
|
||||
|
||||
All this is to say: I write some Rust. I like it fine. If LLMs and Rust aren’t
|
||||
working for you, I feel you. But if that’s your whole thing, we’re not having
|
||||
the same argument.
|
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||||
[50]but the craft
|
||||
|
||||
Do you like fine Japanese woodworking? All hand tools and sashimono joinery? Me
|
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too. Do it on your own time.
|
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† (I’m a piker compared to my woodworking friends)
|
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I have a basic wood shop in my basement †. I could get a lot of satisfaction
|
||||
from building a table. And, if that table is a workbench or a grill table,
|
||||
sure, I’ll build it. But if I need, like, a table? For people to sit at? In my
|
||||
office? I buy a fucking table.
|
||||
|
||||
Professional software developers are in the business of solving practical
|
||||
problems for people with code. We are not, in our day jobs, artisans. Steve
|
||||
Jobs was wrong: we do not need to carve the unseen feet in the sculpture.
|
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Nobody cares if the logic board traces are pleasingly routed. If anything we
|
||||
build endures, it won’t be because the codebase was beautiful.
|
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|
||||
Besides, that’s not really what happens. If you’re taking time carefully
|
||||
golfing functions down into graceful, fluent, minimal functional expressions,
|
||||
alarm bells should ring. You’re yak-shaving. The real work has depleted your
|
||||
focus. You’re not building: you’re self-soothing.
|
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|
||||
Which, wait for it, is something LLMs are good for. They devour schlep, and
|
||||
clear a path to the important stuff, where your judgement and values really
|
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matter.
|
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||||
[51]but the mediocrity
|
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|
||||
As a mid-late career coder, I’ve come to appreciate mediocrity. You should be
|
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so lucky as to have it flowing almost effortlessly from a tap.
|
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|
||||
We all write mediocre code. Mediocre code: often fine. Not all code is equally
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important. Some code should be mediocre. Maximum effort on a random unit test?
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You’re doing something wrong. Your team lead should correct you.
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Developers all love to preen about code. They worry LLMs lower the “ceiling”
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for quality. Maybe. But they also raise the “floor”.
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Gemini’s floor is higher than my own. My code looks nice. But it’s not as
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thorough. LLM code is repetitive. But mine includes dumb contortions where I
|
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got too clever trying to DRY things up.
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And LLMs aren’t mediocre on every axis. They almost certainly have a bigger bag
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of algorithmic tricks than you do: radix tries, topological sorts, graph
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reductions, and LDPC codes. Humans romanticize rsync ([52]Andrew Tridgell wrote
|
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a paper about it!). To an LLM it might not be that much more interesting than a
|
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SQL join.
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|
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But I’m getting ahead of myself. It doesn’t matter. If truly mediocre code is
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all we ever get from LLMs, that’s still huge. It’s that much less mediocre code
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humans have to write.
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[53]but it’ll never be AGI
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I don’t give a shit.
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Smart practitioners get wound up by the AI/VC hype cycle. I can’t blame them.
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But it’s not an argument. Things either work or they don’t, no matter what
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Jensen Huang has to say about it.
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[54]but they take-rr jerbs
|
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[55]So does open source. We used to pay good money for databases.
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|
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We’re a field premised on automating other people’s jobs away. “Productivity
|
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gains,” say the economists. You get what that means, right? Fewer people doing
|
||||
the same stuff. Talked to a travel agent lately? Or a floor broker? Or a record
|
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store clerk? Or a darkroom tech?
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|
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When this argument comes up, libertarian-leaning VCs start the chant:
|
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lamplighters, creative destruction, new kinds of work. Maybe. But I’m not
|
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hypnotized. I have no fucking clue whether we’re going to be better off after
|
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LLMs. Things could get a lot worse for us.
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|
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LLMs really might displace many software developers. That’s not a high horse we
|
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get to ride. Our jobs are just as much in tech’s line of fire as everybody
|
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else’s have been for the last 3 decades. We’re not [56]East Coast dockworkers;
|
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we won’t stop progress on our own.
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|
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[57]but the plagiarism
|
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Artificial intelligence is profoundly — and probably unfairly — threatening to
|
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visual artists in ways that might be hard to appreciate if you don’t work in
|
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the arts.
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|
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We imagine artists spending their working hours pushing the limits of
|
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expression. But the median artist isn’t producing gallery pieces. They produce
|
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on brief: turning out competent illustrations and compositions for magazine
|
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covers, museum displays, motion graphics, and game assets.
|
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|
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LLMs easily — alarmingly — clear industry quality bars. Gallingly, one of the
|
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things they’re best at is churning out just-good-enough facsimiles of human
|
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creative work. I have family in visual arts. I can’t talk to them about LLMs. I
|
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don’t blame them. They’re probably not wrong.
|
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|
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Meanwhile, software developers spot code fragments [58]seemingly lifted from
|
||||
public repositories on Github and lose their shit. What about the licensing? If
|
||||
you’re a lawyer, I defer. But if you’re a software developer playing this card?
|
||||
Cut me a little slack as I ask you to shove this concern up your ass. No
|
||||
profession has demonstrated more contempt for intellectual property.
|
||||
|
||||
The median dev thinks Star Wars and Daft Punk are a public commons. The great
|
||||
cultural project of developers has been opposing any protection that might
|
||||
inconvenience a monetizable media-sharing site. When they fail at policy, they
|
||||
route around it with coercion. They stand up global-scale piracy networks and
|
||||
sneer at anybody who so much as tries to preserve a new-release window for a TV
|
||||
show.
|
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|
||||
Call any of this out if you want to watch a TED talk about how hard it is to
|
||||
stream The Expanse on LibreWolf. Yeah, we get it. You don’t believe in IPR.
|
||||
Then shut the fuck up about IPR. Reap the whirlwind.
|
||||
|
||||
It’s all special pleading anyways. LLMs digest code further than you do. If you
|
||||
don’t believe a typeface designer can stake a moral claim on the terminals and
|
||||
counters of a letterform, you sure as hell can’t be possessive about a
|
||||
red-black tree.
|
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|
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[59]positive case redux
|
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|
||||
When I started writing a couple days ago, I wrote a section to “level set” to
|
||||
the state of the art of LLM-assisted programming. A bluefish filet has a longer
|
||||
shelf life than an LLM take. In the time it took you to read this, everything
|
||||
changed.
|
||||
|
||||
Kids today don’t just use agents; they use asynchronous agents. They wake up,
|
||||
free-associate 13 different things for their LLMs to work on, make coffee, fill
|
||||
out a TPS report, drive to the Mars Cheese Castle, and then check their
|
||||
notifications. They’ve got 13 PRs to review. Three get tossed and re-prompted.
|
||||
Five of them get the same feedback a junior dev gets. And five get merged.
|
||||
|
||||
“I’m sipping rocket fuel right now,” a friend tells me. “The folks on my team
|
||||
who aren’t embracing AI? It’s like they’re standing still.” He’s not
|
||||
bullshitting me. He doesn’t work in SFBA. He’s got no reason to lie.
|
||||
|
||||
There’s plenty of things I can’t trust an LLM with. No LLM has any of access to
|
||||
prod here. But I’ve been first responder on an incident and fed 4o — not
|
||||
o4-mini, 4o — log transcripts, and watched it in seconds spot LVM metadata
|
||||
corruption issues on a host we’ve been complaining about for months. Am I
|
||||
better than an LLM agent at interrogating OpenSearch logs and Honeycomb traces?
|
||||
No. No, I am not.
|
||||
|
||||
To the consternation of many of my friends, I’m not a radical or a futurist.
|
||||
I’m a statist. I believe in the haphazard perseverance of complex systems, of
|
||||
institutions, of reversions to the mean. I write Go and Python code. I’m not a
|
||||
Kool-aid drinker.
|
||||
|
||||
But something real is happening. My smartest friends are blowing it off. Maybe
|
||||
I persuade you. Probably I don’t. But we need to be done making space for bad
|
||||
arguments.
|
||||
|
||||
[60]but i’m tired of hearing about it
|
||||
|
||||
And here I rejoin your company. I read [61]Simon Willison, and that’s all I
|
||||
really need. But all day, every day, a sizable chunk of the front page of HN is
|
||||
allocated to LLMs: incremental model updates, startups doing things with LLMs,
|
||||
LLM tutorials, screeds against LLMs. It’s annoying!
|
||||
|
||||
But AI is also incredibly — a word I use advisedly — important. It’s getting
|
||||
the same kind of attention that smart phones got in 2008, and not as much as
|
||||
the Internet got. That seems about right.
|
||||
|
||||
I think this is going to get clearer over the next year. The cool kid
|
||||
haughtiness about “stochastic parrots” and “vibe coding” can’t survive much
|
||||
more contact with reality. I’m snarking about these people, but I meant what I
|
||||
said: they’re smarter than me. And when they get over this affectation, they’re
|
||||
going to make coding agents profoundly more effective than they are today.
|
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[43] https://fly.io/blog/youre-all-nuts/#but-you-have-no-idea-what-the-code-is
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|
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|
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them all without looking back. So if I stick with it dstask may shape my habits
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that way.
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For some annoying reason, dstask also barfs if $EDITOR has an argument, e.g.
|
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emacsclient -nw, and I found myself once again writing some kind of wrapper for
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emacsclient. That is not Emacs' fault, but it raised the perennial question
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those times?"
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|
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really need is something from the vi family.
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We treat generative AI like magic… and magic systems have rules. When creating
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fantasy worlds, writers think about who can use magic, how magic is performed,
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what it’s able to do, what its constraints are, what the source of magic is,
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and what it costs. I’m applying a bit of reverse worldbuilding to the real
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[156]Islands in the Sky by Death Valley Girls
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Who can use AI magic: magic users pay to use corporate AI magic systems. Those
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who are wealthy and tech savvy enough can host their own local model. Free
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magic use is mostly limited to corporate largesse ultimately intended to build
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magic dependency.
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How AI magic is cast: AI spells are cast with written text input through a
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digital interface. Spells are refined and recast until the outcome satisfies
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What AI magic can do: AI spells can produce combinations of words that are
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[157]interpreted as writing, code-like material that sometimes runs as code,
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images that resemble art, and video that resembles reality. It can create
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imitations of specific human creators’ work, as well as individual’s speech and
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appearance. It can also mimic human conversation for a span of time before the
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spell dissipates. AI magic is near instantaneous, allowing people without
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What AI magic cannot do: AI magic [158]cannot produce the same outcome twice,
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nor act upon existing conjurations, instead casting spells anew each time. AI
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magic itself cannot reference sources, though may be used in tandem with other
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tools that enable citation ([159]though with questionable accuracy). AI magic
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cannot reason or write, but its conjurations may create [160]the illusion of
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intelligence through their statistical consistency with written language use.
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The source of AI magic: AI magic derives from statistical analysis of
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human-created art, [161]writing, speech, music, and video, classified and
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sorted by human laborers in low-cost geos.
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The cost of AI magic: Resource costs of AI magic include [162]power, [163]water
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, and high-end chips, which themselves require specialized manufacturing and
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rare earth minerals.
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Social costs include the [164]reinforcement of racism and sexism, as well as
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mental harm to AI trainers assessing inputs to the magic system.
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Societal costs include [165]job elimination and [166]job intensification as
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positions able to be reproduced in part by magic are [167]eliminated and that
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magic work is shifted to the remaining workers.
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Information costs include the [168]destruction of the [169]online publishing
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incentive structure / [170]information commons, leading to more paywalled
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content; an [171]increase in low-quality material, which makes finding accurate
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information harder; as well as the danger of [172]political propaganda by
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poisoned magic systems.
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Individual user costs include critical thinking skills, writing abilities, and
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patience for conversing with humans.
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[173]The new magic of AI vs. the old magic of artists by Kening Zhu
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[174]Generative AI and the Business Borg aesthetic
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[cfbec22f5a11e] [187]Colin says:
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[188]June 26, 2025 at 5:12 pm
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I very much like the breakdown of costs into those categories, it really spells
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(ha) it out well. I’d taken a Genie/ Demonology approach to AI magic, be keen
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on your thoughts – [189]https://vonexplaino.com/blog/posts/article/2024/10/
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This is totally delightful Colin! I especially like the Cults framing. This
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|
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every grand the agency he worked for did. The mid-aughts were the dawn of the
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notebooks from the get-go.
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“There’s never been a piece of type on any Field Notes material that wasn’t
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as well as the logo placement on the front, were likewise sacrosanct. “We can
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They sold the 3.5-by-5.5-inch 48-page books in packs of three, and the business
|
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|
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heroes.” There was a Timex watch, Ray-Bans, Sperry shoes—“and out of fucking
|
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nowhere, Field Notes,” Coudal says. “And when that happened, a lot changed for
|
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us.”
|
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Coudal says it gave the brand instant credibility—after all, if it was good
|
||||
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|
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sending him screenshots of Field Notes in TV shows; he and Draplin would see
|
||||
people jotting notes in them in bars and elsewhere; on the design web, they
|
||||
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|
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Meanwhile, Draplin dropped into a New York store where the notebooks were
|
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|
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|
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[06-91352784-field-notes-at-20][Photo: courtesy Field Notes]
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In 2009, Field Notes launched a set of color variants, and does a new
|
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installment every quarter, which subscribers can get annually for $120. They
|
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are up to 67 editions. And over the years, the program has grown to include
|
||||
elaborate series like the brand’s popular[35] National Parks books,
|
||||
celebrations of[36] spaceflight and [37]letterpress, and dozens more themes.
|
||||
|
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Coudal says the first few print runs were around 1,500 packs each—but they have
|
||||
grown to the 30,000-to-60,000 range today. He adds that aside from “a couple
|
||||
very strange years around COVID,” gross revenue and DTC sales (which account
|
||||
for about 50% of the business) have increased almost every year since 2009.
|
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|
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[05-91352784-field-notes-at-20]Rocky Mountain National Park by Rory Kurtz,
|
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Great Smoky Mountains National Park by Chris Turnham, Yellowstone National Park
|
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|
||||
|
||||
“The thing about the subscription model is, first of all, people are paying us
|
||||
now for a product we haven’t made yet,” Coudal says. “That’s really good for
|
||||
cash flow for a small company. But more important than that, having these four
|
||||
projects every year that people are funding ahead of time gives us a really
|
||||
great way to make a relationship with our customers and our retailers.”
|
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|
||||
Each one also fulfills Coudal’s third tenet for projects—he has an opportunity
|
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[09-91352784-field-notes-at-20]Emmy Star Brown, Flora [Photo: courtesy Field
|
||||
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||||
THE DRAPLIN FACTOR
|
||||
|
||||
Of course, as Field Notes has risen in notoriety over the years, Draplin has
|
||||
been on a parallel path. He embodies the brand at design conferences like Adobe
|
||||
MAX and in his merch pop-ups, where he is treated like a rock star.
|
||||
|
||||
I ask about the impact of Draplin’s industry celebrity, and Coudal jumps in.
|
||||
|
||||
“I can answer that because Aaron’s going to be humble about it. I think it’s
|
||||
made a lot of difference. I think that Aaron has brought a lot of people to the
|
||||
brand, and he’s also like our gospel preacher out on the road, telling the
|
||||
story—the gospel of Field Notes.”
|
||||
|
||||
Before the brand had an advertising budget, Coudal says that was critical. And
|
||||
for Draplin, those talks aren’t to simply shill. “It’s a reminder: You can go
|
||||
make your own stuff, too,” he says.
|
||||
|
||||
With Draplin on the West Coast, Field Notes’ core team of around 10 is anchored
|
||||
in Chicago. While Draplin says he used to be far more involved in the
|
||||
day-to-day around seven years ago, these days he regards his role as a bit of a
|
||||
mercenary. He drops in with ideas; Coudal will, say, assign him to “go make
|
||||
something weird.” He’s also pissed the team off, on occasion, by going rogue
|
||||
with an idea.
|
||||
|
||||
[04-91352784-field-notes-at-20][Photo: courtesy Field Notes]
|
||||
|
||||
Ultimately, “I’m along for the ride at that point, because there’s a den mother
|
||||
watching over us,” Draplin says. As a result of being removed from the daily
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