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[1]Tom MacWright
tom@macwright.com
[2]Tom MacWright
• [3]Writing
• [4]Reading
• [5]Photos
• [6]Projects
• [7]Drawings
• [8]Micro⇠
• [9]About
Is there really a way to push back on the complexity of the web?
2024-11-16
I found myself browsing through [10]flamework, a Flickr-style framework
developed by some of the developers who developed Flickr, including the
legendary [11]Aaron Straup Cope and [12]Cal Henderson, who went on to co-found
Slack and presumably make a billion dollars. And I was reading [13]Mu-Ans
thing about JavaScript. She is legendary as one of the brains behind GitHub and
tasteful and clever uses of HTML, JavaScript, and Web Components. And following
along with [14]Alex Russell critiquing Blueskys frontend.
Ive been overall [15]bad, because I, like you am living through a bad era and
throwing yet another take onto the pile is cringe for both of us - [16]who am I
to speak, who are you to listen? Anyway:
• React, on a daily basis, is livable but annoying. The level of complexity
is sky-high, even when I spend a lot of energy trying to limit that
complexity.
• On the other hand, the level of complexity of web applications is pretty
high. User expectations are different, I keep saying. Flickr was fantastic,
but it was not a realtime-updating website that optimized for the browsing
habits of the youth, who spend a half-second on most content. I love
GitHub, but there is a reason why people are using Linear more and more:
Linear feels like a realtime desktop application while GitHub feels like a
website.
• I just cant summon the clarity or oomph required to critique this stuff
anymore. Everything is, like, a trickle-down consequence of requirements
and culture and history, man! Pointing fingers at some software developer
or whatever, is neither all that accurate nor that effective. Whats the
point? To make people feel bad? Most people are trapped in their technical
decisions by several layers of management anyway. And people already feel
bad!
• Man, the web platform is not that great. I keep wanting it to be great, but
half the time when I think that knowing about some HTML element will save
me from having to use a React thingamabob that adds 50kb to my bundle… that
HTML element just isnt it, man! I need to style those select elements, or
lazy-load that details element, or implement some implementation-wise
horrible but essential-for-the-product scroll or focus or style experience
which is just a little too much to implement with just CSS hacks.
• Honestly, the parts of GitHub that have moved from Ruby on Rails to React
are mostly, in my experience, worse now. GitHub issues might be slightly
fancier with a few extra features, but there are noticeable loading
flickers and plenty of new bugs, like hovercards that dont go away.
• That said, and I have to keep repeating this, user expectations are
changing. People are used to apps, not websites. They are surprised if
every view that they see is not realtime-updating. Linear and [17]Pierre
see this and [18]are making modern-style alternatives with realtime
subscriptions and local-first stuff and heavy client apps.
• I dont think everything should be a React app! I want more things to be
like Flickr used to be, and GitHub used to be. But at the same time, I
dont see an obvious way out of the current dynamics. Yelling is popular
but the track record isnt very good. Being quietly annoyed about the webs
descent into complexity, my preferred approach, doesnt work very well
either. A few organizations are bucking the trend - [19]Kagi, for example,
has good JavaScript-lite frontends. [20]Reddit has [21]gone web components
and it seems like an improvement.
References:
[1] https://macwright.com/
[2] https://macwright.com/
[3] https://macwright.com/writing/
[4] https://macwright.com/reading/
[5] https://macwright.com/photos/
[6] https://macwright.com/projects/
[7] https://macwright.com/drawings/
[8] https://macwright.com/micro/
[9] https://macwright.com/about/
[10] https://github.com/exflickr/flamework
[11] https://www.aaronstraupcope.com/
[12] https://www.iamcal.com/
[13] https://muan.co/posts/javascript
[14] https://bsky.app/profile/infrequently.org/post/3lay2jro2i22a
[15] https://www.are.na/block/23792815
[16] https://youtu.be/zpVC2hmejko?si=iZGN0UphiOSU2NUU&t=63
[17] https://pierre.co/
[18] https://docs.pierre.co/changelog/local-first
[19] https://kagi.com/
[20] https://www.reddit.com/
[21] https://macwright.com/2024/10/19/reddit-is-my-wc-reference-point