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[31]The coffeeshop fallacy
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Lots of people think they want to start a coffeeshop. They likely
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don’t. That’s like buying a minimum wage job for two hundred grand.
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What they want is to be a customer and sit in a cafe, drink coffee, be
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nice to people, and possibly curate an art gallery.
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We’re good at recognising when we receive pleasure from consuming a
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certain good or service. But then we extrapolate incorrectly to the
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conclusion that owning said business will deliver even more pleasure.
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Max Levchin (paypal, slide) said something to the effect of:
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You you can’t be in love with a particular idea or business. You
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have to be in love with the idea of running a business.
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It’s one of those quotes that has haunted me, in no small part because
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Max has been so successful in such a wide range of pursuits and because
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I both understand his reasoning and [somewhat] disagree with his
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conclusion. I still think that matching your business model to your
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values is a competitive advantage and that [32]doing otherwise is, for
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most people, a shortcut to disasterville.
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Here’s a working definition of the coffeeshop fallacy:
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The coffeeshop fallacy is a mismatch between the work one imagines
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to be involved in a pursuit and the actual day-to-day labour.
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It is most common in industries with a strong survival bias which
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create a fun or desirable product.
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It preys on actors, artists, founders, and more
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For example, the founders of a game company are more likely to fall
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victim to the coffeeshop fallacy than the founders of a new CRM. The
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former are liable to believe that since what they are building is fun,
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the construction process will share that virtue.
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Beautiful young people covet the observed lifestyle of successful
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actors or models without recognising that their own career path will
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mostly involve schlepping coffee and talking to jerks. The founders of
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a film studio will spend most of their time managing a pipeline. The
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founder of a cafe becomes a mopper and accountant.
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A stoic solution
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I think I can see where Max is coming from. I would unpack through his
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train of thought like this:
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Building a fun product still involves lots of painful and boring
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work.
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Enjoying the product is the luxury of the customer, not the
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producer.
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If I’m not going to enjoy building it either way, then choosing what
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I build based on what I would enjoy consuming is a fool’s errand.
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Therefore, I can chase the very best opportunity, whether it be
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fraud detection or glitter widgets, since in either case I’m still
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spending my time running a company.
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His framing basically solves the coffeeshop fallacy. Instead of saying
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“I want to start a cafe” you say “I want to spend my days mopping while
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risking $200k on a low margin retail/service business with a 10%
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success rate.” And then you go: “Hmmmmmm…”
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Constraints and wiggle room
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However, not everyone is quite so mercenary as Max. I don’t know him,
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but based on what I’ve read and watched, I get the impression that he
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follows the market, full stop. If he saw a big opening he could
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exploit, he’d be there regardless of whether it was drilling for oil or
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starting a babysitting empire.
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Most founders have some additional constraints on the type of business
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they want to run and it’s important to recognise that. Not because
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you’re required to [33]follow your passions, but rather because it’s
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helpful to avoid your workday nightmares.
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Some founders care about the market or the customer or the value
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proposition or the impact or the scale.
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Caring about the product seems to be the most dangerous. It’s how the
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coffeeshop fallacy pops up and it’s how people end up spending years
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building stuff nobody wants to buy.
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Caring about a certain customer group still gives you a lot of wiggle
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room. Caring only about the market (like Max) provides infinite wiggle
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room, but I don’t think many people can honestly claim that value set.
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I’ve made this mistake
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The first time, we ended up converting our creativity tools for kids
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into a straight-up brand advertising play. Although building the former
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was no more fun than building the latter (it’s code and metrics either
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way), I valued enabling creativity for kids in a way that I did not
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care about reinventing advertising. Advertising was the better market,
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undoubtedly, but our team was less able and willing to deliver
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something remarkable.
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The situation arose again at Nvana when we were building tools to teach
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entrepreneurship. We couldn’t scale the business by focusing only on
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universities, and we had some decent leads in re-applying the product
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to corporate use cases. Instead, we shut it down.
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5 Responses to The coffeeshop fallacy
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1. [41]Cafes: Why do most café startups fail? - Quora says:
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[42]October 29, 2011 at 11:07 pm
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[...] [...]
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2. [43]Logical Fallacy of the Day: The Coffee Shop Fallacy | The
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Thinker says:
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[44]November 3, 2011 at 2:03 pm
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[...] Rob Fitzpatrick at The Startup Toolkit blog: Lots of people
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think they want to start a coffeeshop. They likely don’t. That’s
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like [...]
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3. [45]咖啡厅错觉(Coffeeshop Fallacy):太爱它就一定要拥有它? | 沉思小屋 says:
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[46]November 28, 2011 at 5:35 am
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[...] 最近读到一篇文章,说到一个有趣的人性现象,你是否曾经听过身边的朋友,或者自己,曾经有过一个念头—— [...]
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4. [47]马克汀市场营销学一日一讲 » Blog Archive » 为什么很多人都想开咖啡店、书吧之类?好开么?赚钱么? says:
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[48]March 17, 2012 at 11:30 am
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[...] coffeeshop fallacy》:
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地址:http://thestartuptoolkit.com/blog/2011/10/the_coffeeshop_fallacy
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/标签:市场营销准备:理解市场与消费者, 邪派NLP攻心营销, 零售 [...]
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104. file://localhost/var/folders/q9/qlz2w5251kzdfgn0np7z2s4c0000gn/T/L5444-824TMP.html
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107. file://localhost/var/folders/q9/qlz2w5251kzdfgn0np7z2s4c0000gn/T/L5444-824TMP.html#close
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108. file://localhost/web/20160304085903/http://web.archive.org/screenshot/http://thestartuptoolkit.com/blog/2011/10/the_coffeeshop_fallacy/
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